Timeline gives mysterious results

[Gerd]

Hi,

I have selected Timeline-Views, I want to filter my pics on the right side via category-filter: only pics made with CAnon 40D and only pics from all locations, but NOT from location "Achel".

1: I set a + in data-driven category "Canon EOS 40d" (Make and Model - Canon - Canon EOS 40d)
2: I choose "Combine files include with AND"
3: I set a ++ in category "Locations"

Now I activate the Filter and in Timeline 2007 I see no pics, because I got the 40D first in 2008 ... so far so good

Now I remeberd to exclude the pics from location "Achel" (Locations - BE - Achel) and set a -- in category "Achel", because there are two child categories behind it, to exclude them. But if I look in Timeline 2007 I see pics, that belongs to other locations and other cameras.

Why do I see now pics? Do I something wrong? For me the filter should work like:  "40D" AND "Locations - All" AND NOT "Locations - Achel"

First screenshot shows Timeline 2007 with filter "40D" AND "Locations - All",
second screenshot shows Timeline 2007 with filter  "40D" AND "Locations - All" AND NOT "Locations - Achel"


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[BenAW]

If you want images from All Locations, just don't put anything in Locations.
If you want All Locations, except Achel, ONLY put -- in Achel.

[Gerd]

But what shell I do with the other categories, parallel to "Locations" like "Animals", "Events" ....?

[BenAW]

But what shell I do with the other categories, parallel to "Locations" like "Animals", "Events" ....?

If you want them included, then just don't filter them out....

A filter REMOVES images from the file window. So in the Timeline you select what will be in the file window, and with a filter you restrict the actual images that show up.

[Gerd]

No Ben, that can not be true, because we have also + and ++ to add, what we want to see...

[JohnZeman]

Gerd I see what you are saying and using a filter you can combine the images from different categories like that but Ben is right.  A filter still removes files from the file window display because without the filter you would see all of the files.

[Gerd]

Hi,

it works as I expect, if I select left e.g. datadriven-cat Canon EOS 40D and on the right with my filter-category settings for including and excluding categories.

In my example with EOS 40D and the filter-settings I get a result of 7.220 pics. Now I select additionan on the RIGHT side also the datadriven category Canon EOS 40D: My result shows again 7.220 pics, that's ok and expected!

Now I change only on the LEFT side the selection from  "Canon EOS 40D" to "Make and Model" (contains all pics: 132.119), the result is again 7.220 pics, that's ok and expected. This means, that the filter-setting on the right side works correct, independent from a more general selection on the left-side. Also selecting the master-category @All (=143.844) give me as result with the filter-settings 7.220 pics!

Please remember, that I have still choosen on the right side the datadriven category  "Canon EOS 40D", which I use from October 2008.

Now I select on the left side Timeline-View (no change on the right-side!) and the year e.g. 2006 ... and now also pics from my older camera Minolta Dimage A1 become visible and that I do not understand ...

[BenAW]

Now I select on the left side Timeline-View (no change on the right-side!) and the year e.g. 2006 ... and now also pics from my older camera Minolta Dimage A1 become visible and that I do not understand ...

Switch of the filter, select 2006 in timeline view. Do these older images show up?
If yes than the filter most probably works as it should...........

[Gerd]

Hi Ben,

I do not want to see the older oic s, because I set the filter to show only EOS 40D pics! If it works correct, I expect in 2006 0 pics, in 2007 0 pics and some in 2008!

But now it comes: If I choose in timeline 2008I got 1.057 pics from 13.870, the oldes one from 5. Oct. 2008, that's ok and all pics are only fromEOS 40D.

Now I click on January from 2008 and I got 429 pics shown from at that ti,me my Fuji S9600! Click I back to 2008, only EOS 40D pics are shown ... can you explain this?

Due to some private pics I used for the screenshot the February 2008.

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[Gerd]

Hi,

it works fine in Timeline and the filter-panel, if I use + and ++, but it goes wrong, if I use - or -- for child-categories ...

... or do I a big thinking-Error

Sceenshot 1 gives no pics, because there are no pics from all Canon-cameras at this date. But if I select all canon-cameras, but not EOS 7D, then the Fuji-pics are displayed (sceenshot 2).



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[JohnZeman]

I don't know what to tell you Gerd other than I cannot duplicate your problem on my machine. 

Can you upload a sample Fuji image we can test with?  Since your problems seem to be filtering data-driven categories I'm wondering what the metadata is in those Fuji images?  And what your data-driven category configuration is (your screen shots don't show us where the Fuji images are in the data-driven category).

[Gerd]

Hi John,

it is so easy ...

you can do it with every set of categories, you only need a category with child categories, where you in the filter-panel select two categories with ++ and in one of these categories you un select a child-categort with -, then go to timeline and check the results per year, per month and per day ...

[Gerd]

Much more simpler:

in filter-panel (first clicked on settings: clear active filter) I select (+)Canon EOS 40D and (-)Canon EOS 60D.

This is for me: show pics from EOS 40D AND suppress pics from EOS 60D ... but I got pics from my Fuji as result. But this is only in timeline-month, where I have NO pics from Canon EOS:

October 2008: 1.665 pics general, mix from Canon and Fuji
Fuji: 99
Canon: 1.566 (only 40D)

Filter: (+)EOS 40D: 1.566

Filter: (+)EOS 40D AND (-)EOS 60D: 1.566

September 2008: 1.052 pics general, mix from Fuji and other, but no Canon
Fuji: 1.038
Canon: 0
Other: 14

Filter: (+)EOS 40D: 0
Filter: (+)EOS 40D AND (-)EOS 60D: 1.052 (all pics !!!)

Is this a bug or normal?