Moving keywords upward in the Hierarchy ?

[Steve01]

Hi,
I am 1 day left of trial and now trying to figure out how to create the really useful feature of having lists of Keywords. Hierarchies are normally no use to me.

I need to choose keywords from  lists.

TownVillage
AircraftType
CarType
Animals
Birds
Reptiles
EmotionalTerms

I might be able to do this using Thesaurus.
1. create a keyword Boeing747 and apply to a photo.
2. Right click the created keyword and choose Thesaurus manager, select the Keywords icon right at top and choose add a new sub element, type AircraftType and hit enter.
3. we now have a title to our list, AircraftType and in the box to right is Boeing747
4. type Concorde and hit enter, then apply it to the photo and hit green tick. then right click it and choose the second option add to active element and we now have Concorde as another in the AircraftList, it sits in a new box to right of Boeing747.
I do a few more, Spitfire, Hurricane, Lancaster


Now I realise something is not right , its seeing the last keyword as active, so it becomes parent and the next one is child.

I need to make sure each time I add an aircraft keyword I activate the original AircraftType header . This will lead to mistakes.

Question...How can I move all my aircraft keywords into the top most 'header' of my list ?

I have been used to selecting the header and just creating entries and they all go into the header.

Is there a better way of doing this ?


I then right click any keyword and choose Thesaurus manager and type Animals into the box and create a new header, as long as I keep activating Animals before creating a keyword for that list I will be ok, bet I forget though !

I can create my list titles this way. Then to show a list I tick the box beside the title.

Extensis Portfolio allowed us to create 'custom fields' which were these useful lists. A list allows a mental prompt of what can be used, especially useful when the list is very long, or emotional terms for example, seeing the list I think oh yes thats a good one to apply, the method in video of typing a keyword to search for it means the user already has to know the keyword., we dont all have brains like Spock.

Didnt see anything in video of creating lists.

also didnt see how to use two or more keywords to find a photo. How is that done. ?

That is crucial to know.

with my lists how would I find a dog sitting in a car parked in front of Concorde ...  if somewhere in my vast archives I had keyworded a photo as dog; alsatian; red car; Concorde; ?

Steve

[Mario]

Please DO NOT post in the IMatch Anywhere boards when you actually want help or support for IMatch. I cannot move every of your posts into the right boards.
Please try to pay attention to the name of the board you post in and the explanation of the boards intention directly below the board name.

I'm not sure that I'm able to grasp your actual question from this very long text.

If you have files with the flat keyword "Boeing747" and you want to change this to a hierarchical keyword, e.g.

VEHICLES|Aircraft|Boeing747

you just select all the files in question, then in the Keyword Panel remove Boeing747 and add VEHICLES|Aircraft|Boeing747.

If you have set IMatch to add new keywords to the Thesaurus, this will also add the new hierarchy to the thesaurus.
When you now ingest more files with the keyword Boeing747, they will be automatically mapped to the hierarchy.

Or, you setup the Thesaurus as you need it before you import files with flat keywords.

Or, you setup the Thesaurus as you need it. And then press Shift+Ctrl+F5 and "Reload Metadata" to reload the metadata for selected files, applying whatever you have now in the thesaurus.

Extensis Portfolio allowed us to create 'custom fields' which were these useful lists. A list allows a mental prompt of what can be used, especially useful when the list is very long, or emotional terms for example, seeing the list I think oh yes thats a good one to apply, the method in video of typing a keyword to search for it means the user already has to know the keyword., we dont all have brains like Spock.

The Thesaurus in IMatch can to this and more. Have you watches the videos, read the help and gave yourself some time to get aquatinted?
The Universal Thesaurus is a very powerful tool, not only for keywords but for all metadata.

[Steve01]

Hi,

sorry will post to gen discussion etc.

I have managed to make keywords AircraftType>Concorde>Spitfire>Hurricane>Lancaster which I didnt want to do, I didnt realise each keyword would be a child of previous one.

Lancaster is child to parent Hurricane which is child to parent Spitifre etc.

oops !

when I wanted

AircraftType>Concorde
AircraftType>Spitfire
AircraftType>Hurricane
AircraftType>Lancaster

one parent. !

how do I get these children from children from children all to be children from parent 'AircraftType'

I tried drag dropping lamcaster into AircraftType in the grey panels but it didnt move, I tried right click on it and hoped to see a choice of moving it 'upwards' to root level parent folder.

I was trying to create a list of Keywords of aircraft Type and have them appear or disappear when I ticked AircraftType.

Like one would have a box and put in it all different spice jars, rather than put spice jar within spice jar and so on.

It is so natural and good to have a 'container' or list title called e.g. AircraftType and put into it all aircraft types, or a 'container' or list title for animals and put into it all animal names.

I dont want Animals>hairyAnimals>bears>brownBear   I just want Animals and when I click on Animals heading I see all animal names at the next level down and no deeper.

I found a way of doing this using Thesaurus.

is there another way ?


AND AS ASKED,... how do I find photos by using two or more keywords, such as dog car concorde ?

I studied the videos but must have missed this.

It showed a photo with two keywords already there, but didnt show how it found that photo. It showed how to find others with those two words.

I am starting with a blank screen and wishing to find a photo for example which has three keywords in it.

Steve

[Mario]

I'm still not sure I understand what you want to do.

1. The Thesaurus allows you to store "text" for various purposes. For example, you can use it to setup a controlled vocabulary for your keywords.
The contents of the Keyword tag from the thesaurus are displayed in the Keyword Panel. So you can easily pick your keywords from there, instead of typing them => controlled vocabulary.

2. The Thesaurus is also used to map "flat" keywords in your images to hierarchical keywords, transforming "cat" into Animals|Felines|cat if so desired.

3. Hierarchical keywords use the | (pipe) as a hierarchy separator. If you add a keyword like AircraftType|Concorde|Spitfire|Hurricane|Lancaster in the Keyword Panel or elsewhere, IMatch interprets this as the hierarchical keyword:

AircraftType
|- Concorde
    |- Spitfire
      |- Hurricane
        |-Lancaster


Also, if you set up the above hierarchy for keywords in your Thesaurus, and IMatch encounters the flat keyword Lancaster in a file, it will map this to the above hierarchical keyword.
This is a most welcome feature for most users and the key for an efficient keyword workflow with controlled vocabularies.

If you created the hierarchy above but you don't want it anymore, just select all files with "Lancaster" via the corresponding @Keywords category. Then remove the "AircraftType|Concorde|Spitfire|Hurricane|Lancaster" and add "AircraftType|Lancaster" instead. I've explained that yesterday in my other post already.

This and many other useful tricks to re-organize keyword hierarchies are explained in the corresponding help topic and also in the tutorial videos about keywords.

AND AS ASKED,... how do I find photos by using two or more keywords, such as dog car concorde ?

There are many ways to do that, depending on where you work in IMatch, what your preferences are etc.
Have you used the search bar above the file window yet?

Just input

dog AND car AND concorde

1. Make sure the file window contains all files you want to search (one or more folders, ... entire database).
2. For the search bar, enable the ADVANCED search mode so it interprets AND as Boolean AND.
3. Make sure the search bar searches metadata, not only file names.

That's it. For more information, lookup the help topic for the file window. It explains how to use the search bar.

Or you just select the categories corresponding to these keywords (You can select multiple categories on the same level to show the combined results).

Or you use one of the many ways to search for keywords available in the Filter panel.

Or you use the Category Builder to combine the categories representing your keywords via AND

Or you use a Metadata Value filter and set it to the hierarchical subject tag. Then you not only see all keywords assigned to the files in the current scope (what is in the file window) but you can just click all keywords you want to filter by them.

As I said, many ways to do this. It all depends on where you want to search, in which View you work etc.
We need more details (keep it short), like

"I want to search my entire database for files having the keywords cat., mouse and dog. How do I do that?"

It also helps if you show us what you already did, what parts of the help give you problems etc.