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#61
AutoTagger and AI / Re: Share Examples?
Last post by Stenis - April 08, 2025, 11:35:59 PMI will, thanks! ... even if OpenAI GPT-40 really impressed me when it comes to identifying animals and write useful descriptions with a minimum of prompting efforts
#62
General Discussion and Questions / Re: Location Tags sometimes co...
Last post by Mario - April 08, 2025, 09:01:42 PMTry not to use Composite tags. They don't play well with repeatable and structured tags like LocationShown / LocationCreated.
#63
General Discussion and Questions / Re: Location Tags sometimes co...
Last post by Tveloso - April 08, 2025, 08:33:27 PMI use a mix of IMatch features to populate location data. Reverse Geocoding, IMatch Locations (almost always applied at ingest, by a MD Template), and via direct maintenance of the location Tags (often with Autofill). When direct maintenance is used, it's almost always to the Composite Tags in the 1 Default MD Panel Layout.
The file in question here didn't have GPS data, so it would have been done via direct maintenance (almost certainly in the Composite tags).
I do also occasionally use the 6 IPTC Location Layout, but not as often.
The thing is, I feel as though this file just got the trailing semicolons recently, without my having made any updates?...(the History for it does show an update just a few days ago, on 2 April - does that indicate it was done interactively by the user?...or could some other "internal process" in IMatch also record such a change to the History?). But it's very possible I made that update, and just don't remember that file as one I worked with.
The file in question here didn't have GPS data, so it would have been done via direct maintenance (almost certainly in the Composite tags).
I do also occasionally use the 6 IPTC Location Layout, but not as often.
The thing is, I feel as though this file just got the trailing semicolons recently, without my having made any updates?...(the History for it does show an update just a few days ago, on 2 April - does that indicate it was done interactively by the user?...or could some other "internal process" in IMatch also record such a change to the History?). But it's very possible I made that update, and just don't remember that file as one I worked with.
#64
General Discussion and Questions / Re: Location Tags sometimes co...
Last post by Mario - April 08, 2025, 08:05:06 PMHow do you set location data?
Reverse geocoding?
Manual input in Metadata Panel using the "6. IPTC Location" layout?
Location data in IPTC is repeatable, in which case ExifTool produces a semicolon-separated list for each tag...
Have you check the files in that Metadata Panel layout?
Reverse geocoding?
Manual input in Metadata Panel using the "6. IPTC Location" layout?
Location data in IPTC is repeatable, in which case ExifTool produces a semicolon-separated list for each tag...
Have you check the files in that Metadata Panel layout?
#65
General Discussion and Questions / Location Tags sometimes contai...
Last post by Tveloso - April 08, 2025, 08:00:31 PMI haven't been able to pin down when/how this happens, but occasionally I'll get a trailing semicolon in Location Tags (except for the Country Code).
When this happens, the Locations section of the Dashboard contains two entries for the Country involved - one with, and one without, the trailing semicolon.
I noticed this for a handful of files (less than 10) a few weeks ago, and meant to post about it then, but then forgot about it, after I corrected the condition. I also recall seeing this a couple of other times in the past.
I now have this condition, for just one file:
While it's possible that this one file is just "a left over" from that previous occurrence a few weeks ago, I feel like this is a new file "that just popped up"...(as I was pretty sure I had successfully removed the condition from all the files back then).
The History does show an update for the file in question just a few days ago (but I don't recall doing that):
Usually once a file is moved (as shown above, taking place for this file, on 12 August of last year), I don't update it again (there are plenty of exceptions to that though).
Interestingly, the Composite Tags in the 1 Default MD Panel Layout, show the trailing semicolons (in the Country, State, City, and Location tags - but not in Country Code):
...but the 6 IPTC Location Layout does not show them for the same file (I imagine they're being treated as delimiters there):
But if I select the Database Node in the Media & Folders View, and use a Variable Filter for say the City, both of them report the presence of a semicolon (for a single file - in agreement with the Dashboard):
I'll keep an eye on this, and will post a bug report if I'm able to find what causes this. But perhaps other users could maybe check to see if they have this condition in the Dashboard, or using a Variable Filter with one of these variables:
When this happens, the Locations section of the Dashboard contains two entries for the Country involved - one with, and one without, the trailing semicolon.
I noticed this for a handful of files (less than 10) a few weeks ago, and meant to post about it then, but then forgot about it, after I corrected the condition. I also recall seeing this a couple of other times in the past.
I now have this condition, for just one file:
While it's possible that this one file is just "a left over" from that previous occurrence a few weeks ago, I feel like this is a new file "that just popped up"...(as I was pretty sure I had successfully removed the condition from all the files back then).
The History does show an update for the file in question just a few days ago (but I don't recall doing that):
Usually once a file is moved (as shown above, taking place for this file, on 12 August of last year), I don't update it again (there are plenty of exceptions to that though).
Interestingly, the Composite Tags in the 1 Default MD Panel Layout, show the trailing semicolons (in the Country, State, City, and Location tags - but not in Country Code):
...but the 6 IPTC Location Layout does not show them for the same file (I imagine they're being treated as delimiters there):
But if I select the Database Node in the Media & Folders View, and use a Variable Filter for say the City, both of them report the presence of a semicolon (for a single file - in agreement with the Dashboard):
I'll keep an eye on this, and will post a bug report if I'm able to find what causes this. But perhaps other users could maybe check to see if they have this condition in the Dashboard, or using a Variable Filter with one of these variables:
Code Select
{File.MD.Composite\MWG-City\City\0|contains:~;,has semicolon,}
{File.MD.XMP::iptcExt\LocationShownCity\LocationShownCity\0|contains:~;,has semicolon,}
#66
AutoTagger and AI / Re: Share Examples?
Last post by Mario - April 08, 2025, 07:39:46 PMQuote from: Stenis on April 08, 2025, 07:02:36 PMSo what is the opinion of Mistral Mario?Give it a try. I have written what there is to know in the help: Mistral AI
#67
General Discussion and Questions / Re: Anybody else having proble...
Last post by Mario - April 08, 2025, 07:38:11 PMQuote from: Stenis on April 08, 2025, 06:52:18 PMWhen my AutoTagger might hang I have so far always get it released by initiate a forced update through pressing Shift+Alt+S.Under which condition does AutoTagger (hang)?
What do you do, exactly, to produce this situation?
Which runner do you use, Ollama or LM Studio? Or do you use cloud-AI?
Please always keep the log file (Help menu > Copy Log File) and attach ZIPped when you run into such a problem.
I have worked with AutoTagger since Saturday many hours each day, processing over 10K images.
Using different settings, run once and run for all etc.
I've used LM Studio with Gemma3, OpenAI, and Gemini.
AutoTagger did not hang once.
I had to restart LM studio once because it no longer accepted requests and AutoTagger ran into a timeout.
I had to wait for a couple of minutes since response times from OpenAI went trough the roof.
That's it. Pretty stable.
#68
AutoTagger and AI / Re: Share Examples?
Last post by Stenis - April 08, 2025, 07:02:36 PMI will test how well Mistral performs too. You never know what EU will run in to with to US and how that will affect the American AI companies.
I rather buy a german DAM like iMatch than PhotoMechanic especially when it is superior to PM anyway the way I use them. I ditched Lightroom many years ago becuase it was inferior when it comes to image quality to DXO Optics Pro / DXO Photolab and nothing else can compete with danish Capture One when it comes to tethering. ... and I rather use an european AI-system if it performs decently befor an American or Chinese one like DeepSeek if that would have been a real option.
So what is the opinion of Mistral Mario?
I rather buy a german DAM like iMatch than PhotoMechanic especially when it is superior to PM anyway the way I use them. I ditched Lightroom many years ago becuase it was inferior when it comes to image quality to DXO Optics Pro / DXO Photolab and nothing else can compete with danish Capture One when it comes to tethering. ... and I rather use an european AI-system if it performs decently befor an American or Chinese one like DeepSeek if that would have been a real option.
So what is the opinion of Mistral Mario?
#69
General Discussion and Questions / Re: Anybody else having proble...
Last post by Stenis - April 08, 2025, 06:52:18 PMQuote from: jamiesaun85 on April 07, 2025, 01:25:17 PMBefore the last update to Version 2025.2.4, Autotagger has had several issues. LLava 7 still works the best, but even it is now doing the same thing. Autotagger just sops working, and how many it will do seems totally random. If I cue up, say 100 files to annalyze and tag, it mwy do anywhere from 5 to 75 or whatever, but eventually it will stick on one and not move from there.
Also, this is with LLava 7b. If I use any other, including LLava 13, it will only do 3 or 4 befoore it stops. Gemma is particullary bad. It will only do 1 to 2 files at a time and thats it. It will stop working after that and i have to clear the cue and try again.
Another note, when using the best one, LLava 7, it only works better if I dont touch it. I cant scroll and see what its filling out. I cant switch to another page and work on other photos and I cant switch to another app and and do something else on the pc while its working. If I dont touch it, it will do a couple hundred or so before it chkes up and stops. If i touch it, it will basically stop immediatley and noot work again until I clear cue and run it again.
Before the update, LLava 7 would run an entire cue without ever stopping. I switched to a studio driver but it made no difference.
Is it just me or does anybody else have this problem?
When my AutoTagger might hang I have so far always get it released by initiate a forced update through pressing Shift+Alt+S.
#70