People with no AI Match

bobneedshelp · August 24, 2023, 03:01:59 AM

I would like a way to make a person with a picture but not have them be used for future face recognition. Let's say I have 100 people and 30 of them I would like to use for face recognition as they occur frequently. The other 70 people I just want to add as a person but I know it is a single use (or very low use) for that person. Say I found an old picture for historical reasons and I could create a person for each of these 70 people. I have a group of people in an old photo and I would like to correctly identify each one, and make them a person with a face, but not really use them again for facial recognition with AI. There is a lot of overhead for the single use people and ultimately falsely suggests people based on these low use people (they don't get trained well in AI). It would be similar to a link but they have a picture in the People view. It would be nice if you could just go into the person and check a box to not use them for AI matching.

cg · September 24, 2023, 06:59:21 PM

I run into this problem all the time.

The solution I've found is to turn off all trained faces for people I don't expect to ever have to identify again, and they no longer show up as suggestions.

Damit · February 29, 2024, 05:45:43 PM

Quote from: cg on September 24, 2023, 06:59:21 PMI run into this problem all the time.
The solution I've found is to turn off all trained faces for people I don't expect to ever have to identify again, and they no longer show up as suggestions.

That is a great suggestion, but a feature for this, perhaps close to use of the "date of death," would definately be helpful. Maybe right under that there could be an option to click that states something like: "Do not search for this face in future photos."

PandDLong · March 03, 2024, 10:22:27 PM

Quote from: cg on September 24, 2023, 06:59:21 PMI run into this problem all the time.

The solution I've found is to turn off all trained faces for people I don't expect to ever have to identify again, and they no longer show up as suggestions.

I was just wondering if that would be a good work around. Sounds like it is - thanks for sharing your technique.

Michael

bobneedshelp · July 24, 2024, 05:41:49 PM

Quote from: cg on September 24, 2023, 06:59:21 PMI run into this problem all the time.

The solution I've found is to turn off all trained faces for people I don't expect to ever have to identify again, and they no longer show up as suggestions.

Could you tell me how you do this? I've been looking and haven't found how to turn off trained faces for certain people.

Mario · July 24, 2024, 06:17:25 PM

The next version of IMatch allows to exclude a person from automatic face assignments. This means that users affected by this particular problem can just tick a box.

If you want to exclude a person from being assigned to faces in the current version, open the Face Manager for the person and delete all trained faces. This will prevent IMatch from assigning the person to faces.

bobneedshelp · July 25, 2024, 11:00:35 PM

I figured it out.

bobneedshelp · August 20, 2024, 10:25:25 PM

Quote from: Mario on July 24, 2024, 06:17:25 PMThe next version of IMatch allows to exclude a person from automatic face assignments. This means that users affected by this particular problem can just tick a box.

If you want to exclude a person from being assigned to faces in the current version, open the Face Manager for the person and delete all trained faces. This will prevent IMatch from assigning the person to faces.

Is this version coming out soon?

Mario · August 20, 2024, 11:31:02 PM

Quote from: bobneedshelp on August 20, 2024, 10:25:25 PMIs this version coming out soon?

As usual: "IMatch 2025 will be released when it is ready, reliable, solid and finished!".

I have no shareholders or marketing people forcing me to ship whatever I have, ready or not.
When the tester groups and I think I'm done and IMatch2025 is good to go, I will ship it. But not before.

For example, right now, I'm spending half of my time redoing about 200 (!) help pages with new screen shots and stuff.
Since IMatch 2025 looks different (new ribbons, new icons etc.) I have to recreate hundreds of screen shots and, to make Google happy, add alt tests to them. This really takes a long time and is quite ardenous.
And it's just one of the many things I have to do in order to ship IMatch 2025.

IMatch 2025 introduces some rather unique new concepts, in addition to all the enhancements of existing functionality.
These new concepts will be really relevant and shaping for DAM over the next years. And IMatch2025 is really early.

I'm still working on IMatch 2021 too. Just today I've tracked down and fixed a bug that has affected many users for a while. Nothing serious (database diagnosis fixed it), but still. See https://www.photools.com/release-notes/ for details.

philburton · August 21, 2024, 02:50:17 AM

Quote from: Mario on August 20, 2024, 11:31:02 PM
Quote from: bobneedshelp on August 20, 2024, 10:25:25 PMIs this version coming out soon?

As usual: "IMatch 2025 will be released when it is ready, reliable, solid and finished!".

I have no shareholders or marketing people forcing me to ship whatever I have, ready or not.
When the tester groups and I think I'm done and IMatch2025 is good to go, I will ship it. But not before.

Good on you.

QuoteFor example, right now, I'm spending half of my time redoing about 200 (!) help pages with new screen shots and stuff.
Since IMatch 2025 looks different (new ribbons, new icons etc.) I have to recreate hundreds of screen shots and, to make Google happy, add alt tests to them. This really takes a long time and is quite ardenous.
And it's just one of the many things I have to do in order to ship IMatch 2025.

IMatch 2025 introduces some rather unique new concepts, in addition to all the enhancements of existing functionality.

Do you plan to write up a doc summarizing the changes in the UI? A "planning doc" that can be published a few weeks before official release date so people can plan the changes in their workflows?
These new concepts will be really relevant and shaping for DAM over the next years. And IMatch2025 is really early.

Mario · August 21, 2024, 07:49:25 AM

QuoteA "planning doc" that can be published a few weeks before official release date so people can plan the changes in their workflows?

No need to change workflows or anything.
Users had the chance to test the new ribbons and menus for several months, via the experimental features option in IMatch. Many users did and made suggestions and commented. I've gathered very useful feedback to make this work right from the start.

The new concepts are an option I give IMatch users to utilize the latest AI developments. It's the final version of something I've announced a while ago and that has been tested with a group of volunteer users. It works well, it's free and should be super-helpful for users who have a need for it.

As usual, not all users will use this feature. Like not all users use AutoFill, Metadata Templates, face recognition or events.
And that's one of the many enhancements in IMatch 2025.

bobneedshelp · August 21, 2024, 04:04:02 PM

Quote from: Mario on August 20, 2024, 11:31:02 PM
Quote from: bobneedshelp on August 20, 2024, 10:25:25 PMIs this version coming out soon?

As usual: "IMatch 2025 will be released when it is ready, reliable, solid and finished!".

Thanks for the reply. Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss it in the latest update.

Mario · August 21, 2024, 04:10:25 PM

Quote from: bobneedshelp on August 21, 2024, 04:04:02 PMThanks for the reply. Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss it in the latest update.

As per usual, there will be big announcements here in the community, on the photools.com web site, my Facebook and X channels. I will also send out emails, although sending emails to gmail.com is almost futile these days. Google blocks them silently and they will never reach the recipient. Probably I'll need to get a Google workplace account and pay for it in order to send emails to gmail accounts.

philburton · August 22, 2024, 05:30:14 AM

Quote from: Mario on August 21, 2024, 04:10:25 PMAs per usual, there will be big announcements here in the community, on the photools.com web site, my Facebook and X channels. I will also send out emails, although sending emails to gmail.com is almost futile these days. Google blocks them silently and they will never reach the recipient. Probably I'll need to get a Google workplace account and pay for it in order to send emails to gmail accounts.

Mario,

I have no idea about your business model or profit margins, but paying for a Google Workplace account seems like an unnecessary expense. So in that spirit, may I offer a suggestion. Ask people with Gmail accounts to get another free email account for your announcements. e.g. from Microsoft. Yahoo is also free but very spam-ridden. Again, please regard this suggestion in the spirit that it is offered.

It's been many years since Google's motto (and behavior) was "Do No Evil."

sinus · August 22, 2024, 08:11:45 AM

Quote... Ask people with Gmail accounts to get another free email account for your announcements. e.g. from Microsoft. Yahoo is also free but very spam-ridden. Again, please regard this suggestion in the spirit that it is offered.
...

Good idea, but I think, not a lot of users would do this.
too tedious, one more account etc ...

Mario · August 22, 2024, 08:23:34 AM

QuoteI have no idea about your business model or profit margins, but paying for a Google Workplace account seems like an unnecessary expense. So in that spirit, may I offer a suggestion. Ask people with Gmail accounts to get another free email account f

It's quite cheap, actually. 6 US$ a month or so.

I've been actually paying for emails for years.

When I want to inform IMatch users about something important (a new major release or an advanced warning about their upgrade discount running out) I use a paid email service for years.
This service has direct contacts with all major mail hosts (Google, Microsoft, Yahoo etc.) and a reputation for not sending SPAM emails. They are all in the "same club", so to speak.

With this service, I can reach about 35% to 40% of the email recipients when sending an email. When I send the same email twice a week, I can reach up to 70% of the recipients over a period of two weeks.
Of course this costs money (and has become a lot more expensive recently). Sending out "A new IMatch release is available, claim your discount" 4 times costs about 30€ now, when I'm not mistaken :-/

When I would send these emails from my own mail server (this server), 98% of all emails would be blocked.
Big mail hosts like Google or Microsoft have whitelists for big companies and their customers and advertisement partners. For example, emails from adobe.com will not be blocked.
But if you are a normal person or a small ISV having a mail server running on some hosting companies servers, it's almost impossible to reach users with gmail.com or hotmail.com email addresses.
As soon as Google/Microsoft recognizes that you're sending more than a handful of emails per day, your mail server will be blocked for SPAM. No appeal. And that of course affects not only you, but also others sharing the same mail server - which is why hosting companies don't like this at all and cancel your account for abuse.

Google's gmail.com is the worst.
I have many users who tried to create an account for this community, but since gmail.com does not deliver the community confirmation email, they cannot complete their account creation. My mail server does not get a "rejected" from Google and Google also does not put the email in their SPAM folder. So nobody knows that something is wrong.

On the other hand, 99% of all SPAM/Bot account creation attempts (currently about 5 per day) use gmail.com email addresses...

Jingo · August 22, 2024, 02:18:09 PM

Quote from: Mario on August 22, 2024, 08:23:34 AMI have many users who tried to create an account for this community, but since gmail.com does not deliver the community confirmation email, they cannot complete their account creation. My mail server does not get a "rejected" from Google and Google also does not put the email in their SPAM folder. So nobody knows that something is wrong.

Most of the time - this is the result of malformed headers like (SPF and DKIM) which many email services (including gmail) block to avoid Spam and spoofing. I have this issue with a few companies that I am constantly missing emails for since I auto-forward like 10 email accounts from my business host emails to a single gmail account. When I don't get an expected email from a printer, I check my host email and sure enough - there it is unforwarded because of an invalid DKIM. Letting the printer know the issue is useless... 99% of users have no idea what a DKIM is let alone how to correct.

TLDR; it may not be gmail's fault... it could be the sender with malformed headers that google requires.

Mario · August 22, 2024, 03:34:35 PM

As far as I can tell, DMARC, DKIM and SPF are configured correctly.
When I send an email from the photools.com domain (same mail server and domain and email address as used by the community) to my Google email address, the mail gets delivered and when I use the "Show Original" I can see that all 3 DNS checks (SPF, DKIM, DMARC) get a "PASS" rating.