Place Filter Manager in the File Window

[ilan]

A (hopefully small) request that does not add new functionality but simplifies filter usage:

Could the Filter Manager be moved to the file window? By Filter Manager I mean the upper part of the filter panel (that was made resizable in build 124). This would have two benefits:
1) Most filter operations are "enable or disable filtering" or choosing some previously defined filter(s). Less often I find myself defining or changing a filter definition. Therefore it would make sense not to have to open the filter panel for filter application/selection.
2) Having the filter manager in the file window would allow to have different filters for different search windows.

[BenAW]

Two problems I can see to start with:
- it is difficult/impossible to combine a filter in the manager with a filter from the list below the manager
- you have to check and confirm your filter settings for each and every file window you go to.

In the very early test you could create max. 16 different filters. Extremely confusing.
So I'm opposed to this request.

[ilan]

- it is difficult/impossible to combine a filter in the manager with a filter from the list below the manager

Yes it is difficult, exactly the same as it is now. You need both the file window and the filter panel for this.
Everything could remain as it is now except the position of the filter manager: Move it from the filter panel to the file window. It should be similar to the sort settings.

you have to check and confirm your filter settings for each and every file window you go to.

I am not sure this is a bad thing. Anyway when creating a new file window it could automatically inherit the filter manager of the file window previously in focus.

[ubacher]

I too find the use of filters inconvenient but I can not think of a much better way.

A significant help would be if we could enable the (previously disabled) filter with the same Funnel icon
in the header which allows the disabling of the filters.
Especially attractive since it would need no additional screen space. And logical too!

[BenAW]

you have to check and confirm your filter settings for each and every file window you go to.

I am not sure this is a bad thing. Anyway when creating a new file window it could automatically inherit the filter manager of the file window previously in focus.

I'm sure it is a bad thing, at least for me. I tried it 
Presently if you set a filter for eg. DNG files, having GPS info and shot in a certain time period, you at least know that whatever View you use, the filter is always the same.
With your idea, switching from eg. Category view to Timeline view, you have no clue.
So open the filter panel, see that a Date filter is used, open it to check which range you used in this view, check the File format Filter to see whether you selected DNG, or possible other formats as well etc.etc. 

[DigPeter]

Would a toggle to turn on/off the active filter be a good compromise?  Or, as In IM3, have a drop-down filter menu placed at the top of the file window, giving all the defined filters from the top of the filter panel?  I can see the merit in ilan's idea.  People might have a few filters which they invoke frequently.  This could be a quick convenient method of getting at them.  I have a large number of images categorised "wild plants" which are held in folders with other images of other categories.  I often need to isolate the wild plant images in order work on them.  It is not a big problem doing this at present, but faving a filter drop-down menu would be more convenient.

[BenAW]

Would a toggle to turn on/off the active filter be a good compromise?  Or, as In IM3, have a drop-down filter menu placed at the top of the file window, giving all the defined filters from the top of the filter panel?  I can see the merit in ilan's idea.  People might have a few filters which they invoke frequently.  This could be a quick convenient method of getting at them.  I have a large number of images categorised "wild plants" which are held in folders with other images of other categories.  I often need to isolate the wild plant images in order work on them.  It is not a big problem doing this at present, but faving a filter drop-down menu would be more convenient.

All this is presently already possible.

[ilan]

you have to check and confirm your filter settings for each and every file window you go to.

I am not sure this is a bad thing. Anyway when creating a new file window it could automatically inherit the filter manager of the file window previously in focus.

I'm sure it is a bad thing, at least for me. I tried it 
Presently if you set a filter for eg. DNG files, having GPS info and shot in a certain time period, you at least know that whatever View you use, the filter is always the same.
With your idea, switching from eg. Category view to Timeline view, you have no clue.
So open the filter panel, see that a Date filter is used, open it to check which range you used in this view, check the File format Filter to see whether you selected DNG, or possible other formats as well etc.etc.

I think we had a small misunderstanding. You are right that not every file window needs its own filter setting. When I mentioned that different file windows could have different filter settings I had the example of my bug report in mind. In that scenario you have several result windows open at the same time. It would make sense to change the filter setting in one of them without changing the other.
As said before: When opening a file window it should automatically get the filter settings of the file window previously in focus. This should solve the problem you mentioned.

[DigPeter]

All this is presently already possible.

Agreed - in the filter panel.  But I am asking for a toggle outside the filter panel, as in IM3.  See quote form my previous post!  I am thinking of a filter icon at the top of the window, next, say, to the search box.

Would a toggle to turn on/off the active filter be a good compromise?  Or, as In IM3, have a drop-down filter menu placed at the top of the file window, giving all the defined filters from the top of the filter panel?

[BenAW]

Since build 108 we have the Filter icon in the LH corner of the file window:

You can only DISABLE the filter. I believe this is a technical limitation that occurs when the filter panel is in autohide.
So enabling the filter is probably not possible.

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[BenAW]

I have my Filter panel on the RH side:


When I open the Filter I could have perhaps 30 saved filters immediately available without scrolling:




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[DigPeter]

Since build 108 we have the Filter icon in the LH corner of the file window:

That is news to me!  I do not have this - see attachment.  I have looked at the Layout drop-fown and at edit, but cannot find how to get it.  But it does not go the distance I am asking for.

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[BenAW]

That is news to me!  I do not have this - see attachment.  I have looked at the Layout drop-fown and at edit, but cannot find how to get it.

from the release notes:

The Filter icon in the file window caption can now be used to disable the Filter Panel

And it will probably not go the distance you're asking for, see one of my posts above.

See Help under Filters > Applying the Filter Panel

[DigPeter]

Thank you, Ben. Yes - I remember noticing that some time ago, but thought it was just telling me that a filter is on.  I must cofess that there is so much in the help pages, that I often miss stuff.

No - it does not do what I suggest.  it is not a big deal.  There is plenty for Mario to do before getting round to ultra fine tuning, so I will leave it there.