[2023.4.6] Keywords, caption etc of PSD will be shown twice

[Rene Toepfer]

How can I set that keywords, caption, headline, description etc. will not be shown twice of PSD files? I am unsure if it was either in IM help or community that PSD saves Metadata in two sets and IM shows both.

As an example please see scrennshot below:

[Mario]

The XMP description is just text. IMatch displays it as found in the file and extracted by ExifTool.
Do you manipulate the description tag in IMatch in any way? Metadata Template or AutoFill?
This looks more like keywords instead of a description.

When you run the The ExifTool Command Processor with the "List Metadata" and search for description, what does it show?

[Rene Toepfer]

This is what the Command Processor shows if I look for "description":


Neither description, headlines nor keywords will be set by Metadate template.

My workflow is as follows:
RAW image is the Master, PSD, JPG etc. are versions. I set Description, Headline, Keyword etc. for the Master and propagate data to the versions by keyboard F4,P.

[Mario]

The screen shot is for the master or a version?
Is description the only tag that contains duplicate values after propagation?
Which propagation tag sets have you enabled?

[Rene Toepfer]

The screenshot in previous post was from the version. Master is as shown:


"Is description the only tag that contains duplicate values after propagation?"
No, it's also for keywords, titel, headline.

"Which propagation tag sets have you enabled?"




-Classic IPTC Data (IIM) - reached max number of attachements.

It happens only with PSD. JPG, TIFF are fine, no double tags.

[Mario]

You propagate IPTC Core. This is mapped automatically to legacy (classic) IPTC tags.
Disable "Classic IPCT Data" and see if this changes the outcome for the PSD.

Note: IMatch by default only updates legacy IPTC data when the target file already has legacy IPTC data. It was not recommended by the MWG to create IPTC data that is 20 years deprecated for new images.

[Rene Toepfer]

Thanks, now the values are not doubled anymore.

[Mario]

Strange. I wonder why.
IMatch sends the same "instructions" to ExifTool for each version, and runs the same XMP2GPS, XMP2EXIF and, if the file has legacy IPTC data,. XMP2IPTC scripts. This must be caused by metadata already in the PSD, which then interferes with you propagating both XMP and legacy IPTC.

No idea, really. I would need to see the master, JPG and PSD files to analyze this. And time.

[Rene Toepfer]

This must be caused by metadata already in the PSD, which then interferes with you propagating both XMP and legacy IPTC.

This could be possible. Usually I create unprocessed images for clients that they can select what images should be processed in detail. For this purpose I propagate metadata before first transmittal to the client. If client has decided I export the images as PSD16 (16 bit PSD) by Capture1. What confuses my right now is that I have set C1 shall PSD16 not export with metadata. I remeber that C1 hat an issue with this years ago and the metadata were exported into PSD16 independently by the settings.

[Mario]

This can basically happen anywhere in your workflow. I have no C1 installed to test this and I don't have your files.
Let's say propagating legacy IPTC data and all XMP data (which also causes XMP to be mapped into legacy IPTC data during propagation) is prone to subtle issues and not recommended. I recommend to only propagate XMP data, since this is the superset and will also update EXIF, GPS, IFD and legacy IPTC data as needed.