Hierarchical Keywords into flat Keywords

[sinus]

Hi,
I have read quite a lot about xmp-metadata and hierachical subject and flatening keywords.

I have quite a lot of images, what have in IM5 keywords like this:

44-Landschaften|Natur
44-Landschaften|Landschaften

But I want get rid of them, I want only have

44-Landschaften
Natur
Landschaften

as simple keywords.
Now I have tried several things, but I cannot get rid of them.
I can do, that in the keyword-panel they do go away (for example by simply delete them), but after one or several clicks on the pencil (write-back), these unwanted keywords are back again.

I know, this is a complicted and messy thing. But maybe one of you has exactly the same problem and could solve it.
Mario has once added the red arrow in the keyword-panle, but it works not for me.

You can see, what I mean, in the attachement.
I did also an exiftool-run, you can see a part also in the attachement and the whole output is this here:

[IPTC]          Keywords                        : 01-alle-Jahreszeiten, 01-Herbst, 02-ohne-Personen, 07-Aussenaufnahme, 12-Postkartenbild, 15-Schweiz, 16-Kanton-Solothurn, 44-Berge, 44-Landschaften, 44-Umwelt, 44-Wald, aussen, Aussenaufnahme, Berg, Berge, draussen, Herbst, Hügel, Juragebirge, Kanton Solothurn, Kantone, Landschaften, Natur, Postkartenbilder, Schweiz, sinusfoto, Switzerland, Umwelt, Waelder, Wald, Wälder

Here is everything, like it should be. So a reload of the Metadatas should work, but I am not able to find the correct properties. I feel really stupid, but I simply cannot manage it. 

Maybe someone has a solution?





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[joel23]

Hi Markus,
it seems to me that you once have defined "Landschaften" and "Natur" as synonyms for "44-Landschaften" (Orange) AND a hierarchy like "44-Landschaften", "44-Landschaften|Landschaften" and "44-Landschaften|Natur"

Aside having

@Keywords
|_ 44-Landschaften
|    |_Landschaften
|    |_Natur
|

in the Category View, you IMHO should see something like
@Keywords
|_44-Landschaften
|  |_Landschaften
|  |_Natur
| 
|_Landschaften
|_Natur
?
Analogue to the attached image: "1", "1|12" and "1|12|123" as hierarchy, and "12" and "123" as synonyms for "1"

So what to do IMHO depends here. Delete the keywords in the Category View and keep the synonyms and you will get
@Keywords
|_44-Landschaften
|_Landschaften
|_Natur
and you're rid of the hierarchy.

But this might not what you want. Guess you're using "44-Landschaften" for a reason as a "SubRoot-Keyword-Category"  for "Sub-Keyword-Cetegories"?

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[sinus]

Hi Markus,
it seems to me that you once have defined "Landschaften" and "Natur" as synonyms for "44-Landschaften" (Orange) AND a hierarchy like "44-Landschaften", "44-Landschaften|Landschaften" and "44-Landschaften|Natur"

Thanks, Joerg,
you are watching exactly ... you were right, I have created them in IM3 as synonmys and did an export-import from the categories.
In IM5 I did nothing change, I guess, somehow during the importing this happend. Don't ask why 

Aside having

in the Category View, you IMHO should see something like
@Keywords
|_44-Landschaften
|  |_Landschaften
|  |_Natur
| 
|_Landschaften
|_Natur
?
Analogue to the attached image: "1", "1|12" and "1|12|123" as hierarchy, and "12" and "123" as synonyms for "1"

That is correct, you are right.
I have now delete in the Cat-view both synonms (Landschaften / Natur) and that is fine now.
I have the correct metas in the keyword-Panel.

BUT I tried this with other images, if I do write them back, the hierachical keywords will come back. Hmmmm, wait, I will copy the image and try it ... 

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[sinus]

Yep, they are back 

I made a copy from the image, the metas appeared fine in the keyword-panel.

I had to click 3 times on the pencil, then the penicil was away.

But after looking at the keyword-Panel, they are again back. See attachement.

So it seems to be, that I have some wrong preferences for import the metas, because ExifTool showed the exif correct.

Ahhhh, these Metas ... I can understand Mario, I have only my mess, he has a lot of mess from users 

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[joel23]

Feel I need to ask: is it that you don't want hierarchical keywords at all or that you don't want to see them in the keywords panel?

[sinus]

Feel I need to ask: is it that you don't want hierarchical keywords at all or that you don't want to see them in the keywords panel?

I do not want hierachicel keyword, I must not have them.
The only thing, what I like to do is in the Thesaurus in the keyword-panel.

See my attachement.
There I can click on 13, then I see on the right the different keywords, like

13-Begeisterung
13-Besinnliches
13-Bewunderung

And if I click (choose) for example 13-Bewunderung, than I see in the synonym-field

positiv
13-Bildgefühl-positiv
Bewunderung
bewundern

And these have been in IM3 all simply simple keywords. And that is all what I want to have also in IM5.
Also in the categories I have then only single keywords.

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[joel23]

You images don't have XMP and EXIF, only IPTC?  (I just wonder)

To explain also for the other readers in here, why hierarchical keywords come in again: your images have supplemental categories, which hold some hierarchical keywords (with dot "." as separator). Uncheck the related box in the metadata settings and/or delete sup. cats from IPTC.

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[sinus]

You images don't have XMP and EXIF, only IPTC?  (I just wonder)

To explain also for the other readers in here, why hierarchical keywords come in again: your images have supplemental categories, which hold some hierarchical keywords (with dot "." as separator). Uncheck the related box in the metadata settings and/or delete sup. cats from IPTC.

Thanks a lot, Joerg, you made my day!

Grrr, of course the supplemental categories, we used them here a while, and during the import I had thought at this.
So I will go ahead and elimintate these stuff.